The Seed Of Hope With Shawn Dill & David Meltzer

Hello, welcome to the Believe the Whole podcast at beautiful SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles. And this is kind of fun because two or three months ago, you guys kicked off my podcast and talked about this in Las Vegas. So I'm here with my mentors, Sean Dill and Dave Meltzer, and some people that have spoke positively and brought a lot of hope into my life. And so this is pretty cool that I get to I feel like I'm on the Jeffersons now. Went from the

Moving on up. Room to

SoFi Stadium, moving on up and talking to you guys So this is great. So thank you for being on the show today.

It's our pleasure. Thank you.

Thank you. So well, the first question I always ask all my guests because everyone has different experiences in their life is what does hope mean to them personally?

For me, it's simple. Hope is faith. You know, we have basic fears in our life, and most people are afraid of the future because they don't have faith. Remember, there's a direct correlation in faith that if I was a % sure, certain that I was protected, promoted, and loved by something bigger than me, that loved me more than my mom, if I was a % sure, I would have all the hope in the world. I would have no fear.

Yeah. Who would if there was an omniscient and all powerful thing that was protecting you at all times, promoting you at all times, and loving you at all times? And for me, that's faith. So, I use time to say, well, today I spent an hour worried or angry or any other indication that I don't have that faith because that's the only reason I would feel that way. And so I have no hope either when I'm pissed off or resentment or guilty.

So I'll say, okay, well, I'm doing okay. Twenty three of '23, '20 fourths of the day, I'm living in hope or faith, and January of day, I'm not. And at least I have a quantitative measurement. So for me, it is faith itself that creates hope. And those people that don't have faith can't have hope.

I mean, same thing, different words. It's a promise for tomorrow, right? So hope is a promise for tomorrow. We are living in the moment right now. So, we have today.

This is the present. Hope is a promise for tomorrow, but it's based off of this. It's based off of an understanding, a spiritual understanding that you're being protected or promoted, or if you're using a religious connotation, it's what is promised to you in your spiritual writings, your Bible, whatever you're reading, and a belief that's through faith, that that has been actually promised to you by something that's greater than you. We can't control tomorrow, but if you do believe in a higher power, that higher power is that which promises us tomorrow, if we're granted it.

Yeah. Where do you think people lose that promotion protection that help them give them hope to have that better future. Where do you think that comes from, where people lose that and get hopelessness or despair?

So I think it's genetic and energetic in its nature. So I think there's a predisposition, a biochemical, bioanatomical actually gene that provides a happy gene or a positivity gene, a hope gene. Mhmm. But it's also energetic. If you are surrounding yourself, just take the election, for example.

This is a, for me, non qualified collective consciousness that exists today. That what's happening, unfortunately, right now because of the amplification in media is that half of the people right now are worried about one candidate if they don't win, and the other half are worried about another candidate if they don't win. Mhmm. And both believe. So you have everyone out here with no hope because if the other candidate wins, they have no hope in the future.

It's gonna suck. It's gonna be awful, etcetera. Where I got in trouble for having this perspective. I said, hey, no matter who wins, I get one vote. I don't give a fuck about who you vote for, but I got one and I used it.

But I have amazing hope that I'm better off no matter who wins. Yeah. And there's people that got mad at me, Sean. Like, dare you say you're gonna be better off no matter who wins? This is a problem of energetic inheritance, a collective consciousness.

And so I think we have to elevate awareness of, yes, we all have a predisposition, a genetic inheritance into a predisposition for how much hope do you have.

Yeah.

But it can be amplified and accelerated by a belief in looking at things that you do want, not looking at things that you don't want.

I think it's ego. Okay. I think that we are genetically programmed very young to be dependent, dependent on our mothers, we are dependent on our parents. As we grow and our ego develops, we want to be independent, right? And everybody strives to be independent.

I don't want to be dependent on Dave. You say that in your mind, your subconscious, and that's actually not healthy, Right? And ultimately, spiritually, so the same thing, consciousness, God, whatever you believe in, desires you to actually be dependent upon that. So when you pull away from that, that's because you don't want to be dependent. It goes back to Dave's concept of asking for help, right?

So, as soon as I'm like, I'm not going to ask for help. Just this last week, I had reached out to Dave, and I was like, Hey, man, I need help. I'm in this spot. I need some help. And that asking for help actually at the moment makes me dependent on Dave.

But because Dave is a what is it called the come through most of the time, almost all of the time.

Yeah, try at least.

Yeah, then he then he's springs into action. And knowing that having that conversation gives me hope. Still, I'm like, well, I'm gonna figure this out by myself. Like, what if Dave doesn't do anything like I have to and that's the ego. Right?

If the ego wasn't there, then I would just relax and be like, Oh, it's gonna be fine. Nick was just telling me, Hey, like, know, you know, you're worried about this. Don't worry about it. It's gonna be fine. But it's the ego because I hear it.

The ego is what tells me like, Oh, no. I don't want to be dependent on other people. And so in the election, I'm dependent on an outcome.

Mhmm.

Yes. And that's that's ego. Whereas if you if you were saying, like, it doesn't matter. I'm being I'm being protected and promoted by a a a a cause or a power or a being that's greater than me, then I can let go of my ego. I honestly think that's probably one of the biggest drivers for all religion, right, is because it's a recognition that we are small, that we are microscopic on this planet Earth.

And I was watching on social media, one of the things I did, I was watching this thing, it was this medical conference, and people were there. There's thousands of people there. And I was thinking to myself, I don't know any of those people, but those people are really important to those people, right? But that's the ego because I was like, well, I wish I was important to those people. Yeah.

But then you realize, like, but you're important to other people. Mhmm. Later this afternoon, I'm gonna get to see my daughter. I'm super important to her. Yeah.

Right? So for me to be the if I can remove the ego, then I have hope.

And where he's discussing something to interject is that this dependence and independence has a solution that has no ego, which is called interdependence. Mhmm. And so for me, I try to work through time as much in interdependence, starting my day by praying to God, May you please put at least 10 people in front of me that I can help and that can help me. This is a prayer of interdependence. Having faith in something bigger than me that loves me, protects me, and promotes me more than my mom.

This is a declaration, a belief of faith in interdependence. When Sean and I ask each other for help, when we buy from each other and sell for each other, It's an interdependence. And I think that there is both dependency and independency and interdependency.

And I think that goes into stuff that you have taught me, Sean, is you always say, What did you expect? When someone helps you or you ask for help and they do it, like, what did you expect? You needed help. They came for you. What did you expect in the outcome with taking something into faith in your business or, taking a leap of faith where you don't know where the outcome is gonna be, but expecting that the universe is going to take care of you and protect you and promote you.

And then on your case with the ego thing or just the interdependency is what you've said before that you can't be poor enough to make someone rich, you can't be sick enough to make someone healthy, and that goes back to, I think, like you said, that ego or that gene, that's things that we have to somehow suffer in order for people to be better in their lives.

I It's so true because they don't understand that pain is omniscient like purpose or And so when you say, you know, that you can't be sick enough, you know, to help someone be well, we have to acknowledge the fact that fear itself is as omniscient as faith, and that we just have to utilize this idea that we can't give what we don't have. And so, we can expect miracles, and those miracles only happen by the meaning we give the outcome.

I also think too, when you say, like, what did you expect? Sometimes it's a known, you know, if I drop my keys, if I throw my phone over the railing, it's going to go down. Like, what did you expect? There's laws of gravity.

And sometimes

in, like, just life, things don't go your way. Like, you didn't get the deal or you didn't get the promotion or you asked the girl out and she said no. And then people could look at your podcast and be like, Well, what did you expect? I expected her to say yes. But what we also have to understand in that level of expectation is that was setting us up for a greater win.

So the expectation, too, just sometimes needs to be that, well, I, the ego, I wasn't fed my desire right then, but that was setting me up. Again, that's that whole idea of protecting and promoting, and it's easy to hear the promoting part. It's the protecting part that sometimes is difficult. Dave's example, when you're about to touch the hot stove and your mom literally hits you, physically hits you, that doesn't feel good. And so if you're like, well, what did you expect?

Well, I expected my mom to kiss me and give me a hug, instead she smacked my hand. But that was the protection part. Sometimes we also need to express gratitude and hope in those moments.

I wanna add one thing to that as well, to share perspective because it's your perspective that gives you your facts. And so, in the realm of understanding this protection and promotion, number one, people don't overthink positive things. Yeah. And two, we're always talking about when this pain, see, struggle's a choice. Struggle's a choice, pain's not.

Pain is omnipresent. So, when we have the girl say no, or the job not happened, or a deal fall through, we do give it a struggle meaning or a punishment meaning. But what we don't talk about very often is something that I find to be even more interesting, is when we do get what we want. Take for example, over 50% of the marriages in California don't last. Are all people They do.

Yeah. But but think about it. All those people got what they wanted. They got the girl they wanted or you got the guy you wanted. Mhmm.

And you married them. I've never seen someone like that kiss at the time and go, oh, shit. This isn't what I want. Very rarely. It probably does happen.

Sometime. But think about it. Yeah. Never talk about, what about the time where we got what we want and we got pain or punishment? Yeah.

And that then created promotion to something better.

Yeah.

Because we got what we wanted. It's like overthinking the positive, man. I can't get this out of mind how lucky I am. Oh shit. Like tomorrow's gonna be so amazing.

Can't get out of my mind. I can't sleep. This is the best life ever. No, everyone's sitting there going, Oh shit, I hope this goes through. I hit my number.

We get enough people to do this. Crazy, right?

Yeah. And I was just, I had my coaching call with my spiritual coach, and he said, he was just talking about faith in the unknown and having faith, and he said something where he said, God's delays aren't denials. And sometimes that is that, where the expectation of those denials need to happen for you to be better for that something greater on the other side, and yeah.

I like the way you put that.

Yeah. So, yeah,

God's It's divine time.

Yeah. And that divine time is the hardest because we're impatient.

RG: human experience is regulated by twenty four hours. Divine time is not. Human experience is regulated by days, weeks, months, and life, one lifetime. Divine time's not. And so, of course, we're going to be really upset when things aren't happening within the context of the human experience.

Mhmm. And then it requires what? Faith. Yeah. If it's not happening in the context of the human experience, it has to happen.

To make this a divine direction, a divine detour, or divine time requires faith or hope then I believe in something infinite.

How would you how would you suggest listeners provide more hope, faith, inspiration in their life as well as in their community, taking all these That's

easy for me, practice. Practice. They call it the practice of religion, the practice of philosophy, the practice of theory, the practice of medicine, the practice of healing. There's only, this is true about human experience, human conscience, that practice behavior, consistent, committed practice, creates the progress aligned with the behavior. Bad behavior will create interference between where you want to be or better, but the practice towards what you wanna be or better will actually progress you towards where you wanna be or better.

And it's a really simple formula to me. So when it comes to faith, hope, love, relationship, I practice being married. I practice being a good husband. I practice golf Mhmm. Because I want to be in a better position, a better situation in golf.

Married Sean? Business. Yes. Someday. Someday.

Not now.

And and I think very similarly, Kastor, I was just trying to think. You just said something like something determines your reality. What did you just say?

Their perception.

Perception. So, yeah. So perception. I think you can you can choose. Having hope is a choice, and it depends on your perception of your reality, attention and intention, by looking for evidence of what it is that you are hopeful for.

So, if you're hopeful for a certain relationship or you're hopeful, maybe your marriage is not going well, well, you can choose to see the 90% of the parts that aren't going well because you're trapped in a vicious cycle, Or you could choose to find evidence of that 10% where you're like, this is actually something we can build on, business, whatever it is. We call that an evidence journal. Lacey has put out an evidence journal, a book that you can document Because if you want to be whatever, I want to be wealthy, well, you start to notice, even if you come here and you're like, Wow, I wonder how much it costs to build this. So somebody had this. Somewhere, I'm sitting in a space of wealth.

Mhmm. And so I can begin to find evidence, maybe not in my pocket, but in other people and around me until it starts to manifest itself in my pocket. But hope is about before it was in my pocket, I had hope that I that it would happen to me. Mhmm. But you also need because we live in this very physical world, I need evidence that it's possible.

I if I'm saying, I have hope that I would one day visit Pluto, I I literally sitting here have no evidence. The best I could do is maybe try and build on Elon and be like, Well, how far is Pluto from Mars? But you need evidence. If we've already had rockets and we went to the moon, Elon was like, Well, then we can go to Mars. Right?

And so then you have to build on it. That's what's also great. People always say that, why didn't we have iPhones a hundred years ago? Well, because nobody had done it. The four minute mile, nobody had brought us to that point to where we were building on that evidence, which gives us hope for virtual reality, for all of these things that we're emerging into.

And I like how you brought up the four minute mile because it had never happened. And after it was broken, there was like 15 people or something like

two months later Two months. Yeah, two months.

Two months or something like that that had broken it

Because they had evidence. They were like, Oh, that guy could do it? They come faster than him. Yeah. Like, what's going on?

A medical student, not even training full time, and then, yeah. Is there anything else you'd like to add on the topic of hope that we haven't discussed?

I think inherent in the topic of hope is kindness. We make so many difficult decisions when, for me, to have the litmus test of what my decision should be based off of, not the reaction to fear, the need to be offended or right or ego, as you mentioned. Think about how many decisions in our lives we make out of ego as that maturation process have occurred. What if we practice that, the litmus test of, okay, the first and most powerful non negotiable criteria in my decision is what's the kindest choice?

Mhmm.

Not what's gonna make me superior or inferior, separate, anxious, frustrated, guilty, resentful, or whatever other criteria that the ego utilizes in order to quantitatively analyze how to make a decision. But I believe if you truly make a decision out of hope and faith, then kindness is the easiest way to make your decision and to evaluate it because kindness would incorporate gratitude, which would help you in the decision making of finding light, love, and lessons, empathy for sure, to allow for that ease and flow and faith, accountability that says to you that I'm accountable for this. What am I supposed to learn from this as the indicator of the lessons as God is a teacher Mhmm. Beyond protector, promoter, and lover, and then allowing me to live in spirit. And so I think a lot of people overlook kindness as a decision making mechanism in order to facilitate better decisions to get to better places and better positions in your life through faith and hope.

Mhmm.

And for me, I just wanna applaud you on this podcast, and I hope that everybody that listens will realize that everything that anybody ever wanted began with hope. Yeah. If this podcast was about Clean the stadium. Clean the stadium. Yeah.

If this podcast was about wealth, how to how to be a billionaire, then people would look at that in the podcast list and be like, oh, yeah, that's great. If it was about how to be healthy, then people would be like, okay, that's great. But it's about hope. And so the uphill battle is, hey, this is about hope. But before you are healthy, if you are sick, you have hope to be healthy.

If you are mired in debt, you have hope to get out of that. If you don't have a job, you have hope. If you don't have the relationship you want, you have hope. If people could really begin to understand hope and wrap their minds around it, it is literally the precursor. It's like the stem cell of everything great that ever happens to us.

And so I love that you've taken on this project and that you are helping people to discover it because literally this is the blank cell upon which everything great that's going to happen to everyone who watches and listens to this podcast, where it

all begins. Thank you. And I did have a Found a quote by CS Lewis the other day that normally I don't finish podcasts with quotes, but I figured it was fitting. Good and evil both increase at compound interest. That is why the little decisions you make every day of such infinite importance, the smallest good act is the capture of a strategic point from which a few moments later, you may be able to go on to victories you've never dreamed of.

And I felt that that was I mean, you kind of segued right into it, which I mean, I saved that for this And thank

you

for bringing hope into my life. Thank you for helping spread the mission of hope. Like I said, in Vegas, you guys were like, You need to do this, so you're gonna come out and you're gonna interview, this spawned the whole conversation. Thank Until next time, we'll bring in another episode of the Believe the Hope podcast.

Thank you.